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WHEN PIGS FLY - TRAINING SUCCESS WITH IMPOSSIBLE DOGS
by Jane Killion (See other books by author)
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Publisher: Dogwise Publishing
Edition: 2007 Paperback
, 198 pages
ISBN: 9781929242443
Item: DTB919
Summary: Do you have one of those “impossible” dogs? Get smart and find out how to work with your dog’s nature, not against it. Terriers are not Labs (an understatement) so why train them the same way? Fun, practical, informative and successful!
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Expanded Description:
Winner of The Merial Human Animal Bond Award
Winner of the 2008 Indie Book Awards for Animals/Pets
Winner of the IIACAB Award for 2007 Best Dog Book (Misc.)
Do you have an impossible dog?
Does your dog come when called, heel properly when you go for a walk, and sit quietly when you ask him to? If your answer is a resounding “No!” then you may think you have an impossible dog. But think again! Most kinds of dogs that people have trouble training (typically Hounds, Terriers, and some Northern Breeds) actually have many characteristics that make them quite trainable—they are smart, are good problem solvers, and have strong drives to get what they want.
The key to training success with these dogs is to figure out what they find rewarding and then use those rewards to get the behavior you want. You’ll be amazed at what your “bad” dog will do when you know how he thinks and what turns him on!
Call them stubborn, call them independent but don’t give up!
• Find out why you shouldn’t train your Pigs Fly dog like he’s a Lab or a Golden.
• Learn how to make your dog operant, a dog who willingly tries to seek out the right behavior in return for a reward instead of always trying to get away with something bad.
• You don’t need to constantly feed your dog to get good behavior. Learn how to use play and other activities your dog enjoys as effective rewards.
Experts praise When Pigs Fly
For those who believe that Bull Terriers are uncontrollable, strong-willed clowns, Jane Killion’s When Pigs Fly will open your eyes. Highly readable! Read. Enjoy. Benefit.
David Merriam, Vice Chairman, American Kennel Club.
A fresh, exciting, and thought-provoking way to look at your dog with new eyes and understanding. While there is some basic training in the book, seasoned trainers should take this book seriously. If you have tried other training books and been unsuccessful in seeing progress with your supposedly “difficult” dog, When Pigs Fly is the book for you.
Pam Dennison, Author of The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Positive Dog Training and Click Your Way to Rally Obedience.
Easy, step by step instructions on how to work with your dog and develop a long lasting, satisfying bond. Her pictures and straight forward language demonstrate how to work through the various
training exercises.
Erin Schaefer, Five time FCA Agility World Team Member.
Author Jane Killion lives with a house full of Bull Terriers and a very wise cat. She breeds and shows Bullies and has put 21 titles on her dogs in Breed, Obedience, Agility, and Rally. She is a frequent contributor to dog publications and first-time book author. She hosts an annual gathering of Bull Terriers and owners called “Bullypalooza” at her home in Blairstown, New Jersey.
What reviewers are saying...
APDT CHRONICLE OF THE DOG
When Pigs Fly! focuses on training dogs from the "non-biddable" breeds such as terriers and hounds. Author Jane Killion uses her own Bull Terriers to illustrate how to work with "Pigs Fly" dogs… While this book is geared toward the average dog owner, there is plenty of excellent information and ideas for dog trainers who may find ideas for dog trainers who may find themselves challenged by clients’ dogs who fit this description… The book contains many photographs that provide step-by-step instructions on teaching behaviors, as well as shaping, types of equipment, and playing with your dog. I enjoyed the presentation in the photos of a variety of "non-traditional" breeds such as her Bull Terriers, as well as Pugs, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Basenjis, Beagles, and Newfoundlands. As a bully breed and mixed breed dog owner myself, I always appreciate "equal time" for dogs you don’t normally see in the training ring… I truly enjoyed this book and would recommend it to owners and trainers of any breed of dog.
Mychelle Blake, MSW, CDBC
SOCIETY OF VETERINARY BEHAVIOR TECHNICIANS
I have had the recent pleasure of reading Jane Killion’s When Pigs Fly!. In her first book, Jane has constructed an admirable training manual appropriate not just for “impossible” dogs, but every dog and dog owner. An experience trainer inspired to new methods by her own dogs, a herd of Bull Terriers, Jane’s friendly, open style and succinct instruction will make this volume a valuable addition to any training library… Introducing the concept of training the Pigs Fly dog, Jane points out differences between “biddable” breeds such as most Herding dogs, and less biddable, more independent dogs such as Terriers and Hounds. She highlights one main difference, taking time to emphasize the fact that intelligence is not measure in cooperation with a handler, but in the ability to solve problems presented to the dog. Most biddable breeds learn quickly with direction from a handler, but don’t take the initiative to solve problems without directions at first. However, most Pigs Fly dogs excel at independent problem solving skills and are keen to attempt solutions without instructions for a handler. Jane proposes that the key to successful and cooperative training of a Pigs Fly dog is creating an operant dog. She goes into great detail but remains easily understood, explaining what makes a dog operant and why this helps every dog learn more quickly…I would highly recommend Jane’s book to any dog owner, not just Pigs Fly owners… From the first time dog owner to the seasoned instructor looking for new ideas, anyone can come away from reading When Pigs Fly! with a fresh perspective and energized to play.
Monique Feyrecilde, LVT
THE LATHAM LETTER
Does your dog come when called, heel properly when you go for a
walk, and sit quietly when you ask him to? If your answer is a resounding
“No!” then you may think you have an impossible dog, a “Pigs Fly” dog,
one you may think can never be trained. But in this fresh and exciting
book author Jane Killion asks us to think again.
She explains that many kinds of dogs that people have trouble training
actually have characteristics that make them quite trainable – they are
smart, they are good problem solvers, and they have strong drives to get
what they want. The key to training success with these dogs is to work
with the dog’s nature, not against it. That is, figure out what they find
rewarding and then use those rewards to get the desired behavior.
I’m giving this book to a friend with a Shiba Enu puppy!
Judy Johns,
Managing Editor
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| At last pigs do fly!, July 12, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Gary Hammerstone |
I'm sitting here looking at all the varied dog training books I've bought over the years, they are all good but none was good enough for getting into the mind of my new 3 month old Australian Cattle Dog Katie aka Katrina. My red heeler came from a strain bred to work cattle and she shows it by her fierce independence and intelligence. She is not a 'biddable' dog as the author of When Pigs Fly: Training Success With Impossible Dogs uses the phrase, in other words, there are dogs that have other agendas than what you want them to do. If you have a Border Collie, Golden Retriever, or German Shepherd you probably won't need this book (but you might). Author Jane Killion, with humor and pictures, lays out a clear plan with lots of encouragment for novice or professional who has a dog that thinks for itself. I was greatly relieved to get this book and study its wisdom. I've just used this book a few days and already both my dog and I feel better about each other!
Gary Hamemrstone and Katrina |
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| Finally, July 17, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Debora, Woodrow & Luna |
| This book is a must for every dog owner especially owners of the 'Difficult Breeds' well this is the book for you - I have 2 rescue Bull Terriers and this book has been the most informational one I have read - Finally a book that helps you deal with a very stubborn dog. Author Jane Killion, has given the Dog Owner a invaluable tool in the training of our dogs. And what can i say i'm a little partical - never saw a book with so many pics of Bull Terriers - never mind Bull Terriers behaving - Gives me Hope for my 2 Clowns. |
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| finally!, July 18, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Lisa Mohr |
| at long last a book that can explain my alien canine. and do it so i have a real chance of finding a way to communicate with him. really enjoyed the book. should be a must have for all lovers of 'non-biddable' breeds. |
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| Pigs CAN fly!, July 18, 2007 |
| Reviewer: William Lambert |
| Those who have not given up on their 'difficult' dog will welcome this book with open arms, for at long last author Jane Killion teaches us that with the right methods even the most obstinate creature can be trained. Written in an engaging style, the book takes us through all the stages of training from the very basics to addressing even the most difficult problems. The book is extremely well illustrated and laid out, providing an excellent source of reference and is essential reading for those who want a more acceptable companion. An essential read! |
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| WHEN PIGS FLY by JANE KILLION, July 21, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Juditha Williams |
It feels like a summer romp through highly amusing tales, inside tips, and fun exercises, but WHEN PIGS FLY has changed me, and my dogs.
I've shed some foolish notions and inconsiderate habits, and the dogs are glad about that. Now they are so sweetly eager when a training session is in the wind. New lines of communication are opening to us.
Well-written and indispensable. This book will surely be regarded as a classic. |
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| Yes!, July 25, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Lynn Brunsell |
A great, easy to read training book. Also explains why these methods work well for 'hard to train' dogs and how to play on their strengths rather than fight them every step of the way. It has fun games and exercises to do with your dog. I have been enjoying reading this book!
Lynn Brunsell and Sharkey |
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| This is the book I have been waiting for, July 26, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Lee Spark Jones, Ph.D. |
| Brilliant! This book is living proof that impossible dogs are the best teachers if a trainer has ears to hear. Jane Killion is masterful in her ability to listen, and pass on a wealth of practical, humorous, insightful information about dog training to the thirsty world of people who live with and love 'difficult' dogs. |
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| Fantastic & Funny, July 27, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Karen Ryan Crawford |
I was totally against clicker training until I read Jane's book. I have gone out and bought a clicker and working with my bullies in spare time. Operant is the word and now when I click my little Roxie knows there is a treat there. I am working with the box as Jane did in the book and I have gotten Roxie to get close but she wouldn't go in it. I am finding though she is starting to calm down. And there are laughs in this book too especially if you are a bully owner.
A fantastic read and great information. |
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| Have a dog who is an independent thinker?, August 7, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Tami Hawes |
Not sure if your dog might be an independent thinker? Then you may not have a dog from the terrier or hound group. :-) This would include a mixed breed dog with one or more of these in the mix.
Jane nicely brings in teachings from Jean Donaldson, Pamela Dennison, Karen Pryor and Morgan Spector, into a format that is easy to understand and implement with your 'pigs fly' dog(s). Jane explains why you want to start out with shaping rather than just lure your dog into a behavior. How to get your 'pigs fly' to do work with you rather than do their own thing.
Learn how to get those basic behaviors that may have made your 'pigs fly' dog a failure in class and help you both shine in the next dog class you both take.
Thought that agility looked like fun but you were afraid to trust your dog offleash?
Your dog is walking you rather than the other way around?
Get this book and have fun training your 'pigs fly' dog. |
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| Finally, Training Methods that work, August 12, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Heather |
| After reading tons of books written by owners of dogs that are easy to train, I've finally found one that works for my BC/sight hound mix. For years I've been trying to train my dog as a Border Collie. Unfortunately, she is mixed with a sight hound which makes her much more difficult to train. When Pigs Fly could have been written about my dog. Over the past few weeks we have made more progress than over the past few years. This is a great book for anyone who has a dog that doesn't seem to have to same agenda as they do. Best dog training book I've ready to date. |
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| I taught her everything she knows!, August 21, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Pam Dennison |
| Just remember gang, as Jane so aptly put it, work with the dog you have, not some fictionalized 'perfect' dog. That perfect dog doesn't really exist - not even my own Border collies. |
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| Great Book!, October 30, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Jacqueline Munera |
| Finally a book for the 'difficult' dogs that require creativity and won't follow the typical training program! Great for professionals and clients. |
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| SOOO Helpful!, November 8, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Lora Durr |
| I enjoyed this book SOOO much and I tell everyone I know about it! The difference that I have seen in my dogs is huge since adding Killion's techniques to our training tool box. Not only is this a great read for trainers and people involved in performance events, but this book also serves as a really functional guide for the average pet owner who is having trouble with their companion dog. |
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| Great book for ANY dog, November 12, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Lulu Clarke |
I ordered 'When Pigs Fly', but not to help me with training a Basset Hound or a Bull Terrier. I live with an incredibly (truly) hard to motivate, slow-moving, just not interested, German shepherd. Along with that, she has socialization deficits, and a lot of fear issues. Thankfully, as a professional trainer, I have lots of things in my mental toolbox to help me with her training. Pigs Fly was certainly a great resource, and I loved seeing many of the things I already do with my dog in print and all in one place.
However, the breed stereotypes were a little grating for me. Jane talks about how her Cattle Dog will do a perfect recall away from anything and describes Shelties as needing to be 'told what to do' while a Basenji will figures it out on his own (this Sheltie/Basenji anecdote was from a study). She also says that dogs usually considered to be biddable--Goldens, herding breeds, etc--find their owner's approval to be reinforcing. I'm of the mind that dogs do what works for them at that moment, in that place. Our dogs love us, but I doubt they work to please us--even the Border Collies and Golden Retrievers.
I know (or I hope) that Jane Killion doesn't completely lump all dogs from one group as being non-biddable and the rest in the biddable lump, but I felt like it was thrown around constantly--Herding dog? Easy to train. Terrier, hound, or northern breed? You've got your work cut out for you.
In the end, it was a good book, but it would have been even better if she had avoided the distracting breed stereotypes and instead aimed the book at ANY dog. |
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| This book is great, December 19, 2007 |
| Reviewer: Stephanie Larson |
| I bought this book because I was teaching dog obedience for a person who had a Bull Terrier. The techniques described in this book are great for 'When Pigs Fly' type of dogs. The dogs seem to catch on quicker than with traditional training styles. I would strongly recommend this book to anyone who owns a terrier, a Pug, or a Great Dane. |
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| Great Book with Practical Infromation, June 10, 2008 |
| Reviewer: Regina Allen DVM |
| I was curious about this book mainly because of the title, and I'm so glad I got it! This is a great book, filled with practical training information for owners of 'difficult' dogs, both for competition and general household manners. Jane teaches you how to find a motivator that your 'difficult' dog likes, and how it use it and a clicker to shape good behaviors. This book has definitely made me a better trainer, and I recommend it to everyone who trains dogs, not just those with 'difficult' ones. |
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| Excellent!, September 13, 2008 |
| Reviewer: Tiffany Zagula |
| As an owner of hounds, I was very interested in a book that delt with highly independent thinking breeds. After reading it I am using the 'Pigs Fly' method on not only my hounds but my corgis as well. It's working wonders for both! I can move things along a bit faster with the Corgis (considering they are a rather biddable breed) than I can with the Hounds but I'm having great success with both 'types' of thinkers and having a blast doing it. I highly reccomend this book to any dog owner! |
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| Fantastic book..., October 1, 2008 |
| Reviewer: Jeffrey Koski |
| I just want to say I just finished reading this book, and it's really given me some good insight on how you can work with dogs that seem impossible to train. Even with breeds that are considered 'Smart Breeds' like the Border Collie, each dog is an individual and can either pick things up fast, or may seem extremely slow and uninterested in learning. When you run into one of these individual dogs, this book gives you a great work-around, and actually can get the dog interested in you, and want to work with you. And with the focus, you will ultimately be his/her focus. The book is layed out very well and easy to understand, and some prior clicker training is a plus, but is not required. Highly recommended for all dog owners, not just ones that have dogs that are hard to train, or seem impossible. |
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| Great read & Fantastic insight, October 3, 2008 |
| Reviewer: Justyna |
| This book is not only a good read but it helps you understand your independent dog. It makes the average owner realize that every dog is an individual and that’s why one Boxer will do what you ask and the other pays no attention to you because that patch of grass is more interesting then you. It shows you how to make yourself the most interesting thing in your dog’s life and in turn helps you to strengthen your bond with what once considered a 'willful' dog. This is a must read for every owner with an 'impossible' dog. |
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| SO Helpful!, January 22, 2009 |
| Reviewer: Judi Mott |
| As owner of an independent 200 pound 'teenager', this book has been a great read that has given me some very helpful insight! I can see some progress already! |
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| , January 28, 2009 |
| Reviewer: Lindsay |
| An excellent overview of working with independent and other dogs who are a bit difficult to train. Techniques work well for all types of dogs. |
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| Great for ANY dog!!, April 26, 2009 |
| Reviewer: Kasey Laplace |
| This book not only covers great techniques to use with independent dogs, but the techniques will work for ANY dog!! So good, I read it twice!! A definite MUST HAVE for any dog book library!! |
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| Pig Dogs fly, August 20, 2009 |
| Reviewer: TopDog K9 Services |
This book was a great read and gave great tips for helping people that have the 'difficult dogs' to train.
She gives good insight into the minds of those kinds of dogs, and also to a certain extent the minds of the people that own them.
Good book. |
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| Using your brain to train the difficult dogs, November 10, 2009 |
| Reviewer: Herr Pet Training |
| This is a required read for our trainers especially if they will be teaching classes with Terriers. This is an excellent book on how to work with dogs that may not be as motivated by the more common reinforcers. You will also get a good view into how to motivate the dog into enjoying their 'work'. This is a must for any owner of a difficult or 'stubborn' dog. This is not a replacement for a good book on marker/clicker training but a must have companion to. |
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| Awesome find, December 3, 2009 |
| Reviewer: Andrea Wohlhuter |
| Finding this book has been a life saver. I had given up hope of ever getting anywhere with my bullterrier boy, but Jane's excellent with step by step guide has given me the motivation to try again. And we are making progress. I have now ordered 3 more books to give to my bully friends. I am sure they will love it as much as I do. |
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| For dogs that didn't read the directions, February 7, 2010 |
| Reviewer: Raegan Walter |
Pigs Fly is for dogs that didn't read the directions.
I know 'what' I'm supposed to do. I know 'why' it's supposed to work. I do not know 'how' to make it work for my dog.
Hands down the biggest struggle I have with my miniature schnauzer is keeping his attention. How is a human supposed to stack up against all the STUFF in the world? About a quarter of the book is dedicated to answering that question.
The first fifteen pages are a pep talk. Your dog isn't one of those biddable breeds, just sitting around waiting for input. No! Your's is a problem solver! He has an agenda! This is Good!
The first couple of 'real' chapters are an introduction to clicker training. Nothing I haven't read before, but interesting in that it's a little more in depth and science-y than most intro to clicking pieces. It also includes an excellent section on shaping.
The second quarter of the book is the most valuable part, I think. 'Teaching Attention as a Behavior' and 'Using Your Dog's Natural Behaviors to Train Him' are particularly useful. It's the 'How.' How to get your dog's attention outside, then let him go sniff as a reward. How to apply the Premack Principle. How to make your dog watching you self-rewarding. And it does this with bull terriers, a decidedly un-Border Collie breed. And acronyms.
The last half of the book is on teaching basic behaviors and solving problematic ones. I haven't read that far yet. From my skimming of it, it doesn't seem to offer as much new information as the rest of the book.
I would recommend this book to any one having trouble motivating their dog. If your dog loves working for you because you are you, it might be worth checking out of the library for some of the exercises, but a lot of the problem solving isn't going to apply because you don't have the problems that are being solved. |
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| , June 7, 2010 |
| Reviewer: Simone Clark |
| What a brilliantly simple guide to working with 'stubborn' 'difficult' or 'pig-headed' dogs. I have recommended this book to so many people who have complained about trying to get their dogs to work with them. Always the response is some variation on 'this book saved our relationship' and wonderfully in-tune dog. |
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| , September 3, 2010 |
| Reviewer: Dog Trainer-Mn |
| I loved this book and have suggested it to many clients. Its a simple read and the concepts are basic and easy to understand. |
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| Finally an Instruction Manual for My Dog, September 23, 2010 |
| Reviewer: 3kids |
| I have read 50+ positive dog training books, and I FINALLY found one that speaks to my dog. The other books never give you the reasons why your dog might not progress in training that other dogs will fly through. The author explains in detail why our dogs are not biddable dogs. They were bred to be INDEPENDENT THINKERS, not the dogs that are just waiting on your every move and can't do enough for you!!. This type of dog presents a lot of challenges in traditional training. The author teaches you how to work with this 'independent' dog's natural instincts. She talks about how some dogs just aren't food motivated. She is humorus in her anecdotes. I especially loved the reference to the mathmatical calculations these dogs perform when they hear the word 'come'. BTW: I have a GSD, more often than not, a biddable breed, NOT MINE!! So glad I found this book, a MUST READ for difficult dogs. |
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| Paws up!!!, February 4, 2011 |
| Reviewer: KMH |
| This is one of the best dog training books I have read in a long time. Her sections on motivating the pigs-fly-dogs are especially insightful. |
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| BULLY BREED NO MORE, April 28, 2011 |
| Reviewer: Christy Munden |
HAVING A TRADITIONAL BULLY BREED ITS GREAT TO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT BULLY JUST A LITTLE PIG HEADED.
EVEN MY HEADSTRONG DOG CAN FLY WITH THE BEST 'PIGS' |
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| Awesome book!, February 22, 2012 |
| Reviewer: Jody Freeland |
| I love this book! It really gets down to the nitty gritty of nonbiddable dogs. Most people think that their dog is stubborn or ignoring you, however, these dogs don't necessarily care what humans think. There are many breeds that are nonbiddable dogs and with this book you can work towards making you more exciting! |
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| , January 5, 2013 |
| Reviewer: kimmy the terrier |
All ican say is this book is a must for anyone with a terrier, or who is thinking of getting one,easy to read,and tells it like it is, great book, that make alot of sence
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kimmy the terrier |
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| Amazing!, February 18, 2013 |
| Reviewer: Serena Marangoni |
I don't have a 'pigs fly dog', in fact I don't yet have a dog. This book is full of useful information on how to start your new puppy 'on the right paw', whatever the breed. Great book, amusing, witty and insightful... Makes me want to get a terrier or a bully!
Great, great, great, even for owners of biddable dogs!! |
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| Buy me!, April 4, 2016 |
| Reviewer: Mindy Wolff |
| A sample preview of this book was all it took for me to see that Jane knew what my best friend needed from me to get his training right. A mental view from his point of view was what I needed to train my dog three tricks in one day. My old, rescued, beagle who mostly sleeps is actually learning. Why? Because I am using Jane's advise to adjust my teaching methods. I highly recommend the book, the author's website, and her newsletters. |
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